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MikeA

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Line Cleaner/Dressing
« on: June 29, 2006, 09:46:13 AM »
There's been alot of talk about this product on the Fly Fisherman Board so I thought I would post a link to it on here as well. I have been using it for a few years now and I think it’s the best line treatment out there. It will not hurt any of the new line and it is not a wax so it doesn’t seal dirt in.  All you do is wet a cloth with the stuff and run your line thru it. It cleans and lubes the line in one pass. No drying and buffing just one pass and go fishing. 
I use it on all of my lines including the sinking and shooting heads. It really is a great product.



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Re: Line Cleaner/Dressing
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2006, 03:48:43 PM »
Mike,

I have not used that particular product, but many others in the past.

There are  products that may enhance a better glide of your fly line via the rod guides. If, however your line is well worn there is not much you can do about it, go buy a new one.
Same also if your guides are well worn.

On the subect of fly lines, which can be a controversal subject, depending on the view , there are primarily three.
Profile, color, and its inherent floatability, so far as a dry line is concerned.

The main issue l have to deal with so far as my clients are concerned is this.
That the fly line does not float high for one reason or the other.

The worst set up to cause the line to sink at the tip is a braided loop, ok for sunk line, but for dry line, no way in my book.
The second is a line that has had no care, or has been left on a reel for some period of time, and a few other reasons, such as casting on grass or other none water surface, that will ruin the best of lines in a hurry.  And leaving a fly line to the adverse effects of heat and direct UV light.

Here are my reasons for why.

I dry line that sinks at the tip, or through its length , does not allow for slick mending as the submerged line aggrivates drag in all ways.
You cannot lift it off the surface.
It is also way more affected by subsurface movement.
This situation worsens when you are fishing water that does have surface disturbance such as you would find in riffles and shoals, have you ever noticed how your line gets pulled down in the current wash.


I can guarantee you that, it is way easier to correct drift and drag if the line is on the surface.
Does your indicator or dry fly move big time when you try to correct drift, l accept that it may also be the manner in which you are doing it, or both !!

A line that is sunk also impedes the speed that you can set a hook, you have to pull the line through the water instead of lifting it off the surface.

It also inhibits a good clean lift, when you are fishing deep or with added weight. Do you notice how all of a sudden the fly speeds up as it leaves the water.

A line that has its tip section sunk below the surface will often be the cause of spooking fish, and there are other reasons, the main ones l have written here.

So what is the solution to this problem.

I know of no fly line out there that will after a period of time not have a tendancy to sink.
As a rule if you buy one of the top brands, which in my book is very important for a dry line, SA or Courtland, for me, you will have a line that will last a great deal longer than most, and will have a far better floatabilty factor in its manufacture.
Not to mention its castability will be greatly enhanced.

I accept that if you are fishing warm water creeks, that are not always as clean as the trout systems, then you may not wish to go that way.

Clean your line regularly.
Stretch you line on a regular basis before you start to fish.
This takes out pressure curves that also will cause the line to sink at those points of angle.
The means that you attach a butt, or leader is important here.
I use the no knot system, and l do not know of one that can beat that.
Short sections of Amnesia is another way to go. But at any rate try to avoid large connections of loops and knots.
There are reason for that, which l will deal with on a future post.

Remember that F/carbon leader or tippet material sinks around 4 times faster than mono, that will also cause the fly line tip to sink. If you are using it for the means of subsurface fishing, ok, you certainly do not want it for dry fly or above a indicator.
Fine if it is added as a section to regular mono or co-polymer as the means to present the fly the way you wish it. Without the use of a indicator.

Fly line dressings to enhance high float.
There are a number out there.
I have used Mucilin for some 40 odd years, and l have yet to see a product that is as good. It is a non fluid silicone.
But it does have one downside. The container that they sell that product in is useless. In hot weather the silicone will become a fluid and your fly vest will suffer for that.
I remove it from the container and put it in one of those little jars that contains Carmex, take that out first of course.
If it has become fluid then hold the container in cold water, it will harden up the Mucilin,
M - is good for the fly line and also the leader. May also be used for your fly.

Next option would be Loon, Aquel, that l like also. Does the same as M, but it is a fluid.  Can be messy for fly line application.
There are some others out there, these two are my personal preferences.

Do bear this in mind. Any addative you use to enhance float of the line will attract surface grime, so it is important to clean the fly line after use.

Little things such as this make a great deal of difference at times, l can assure you.

Davy.








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Re: Line Cleaner/Dressing
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2006, 02:15:45 PM »
Hey Davy great post! Thanks for stopping by!!!

For those of you who don’t know Davy please take a few minutes to visit his site http://www.davywotton.com . Davy lives on the White River and runs a guide service and fly fishing and tying school. He has also been featured on Fly Fish TV on several occasions and is a world recognized author, instructor, and fly tier. I first learned of him from fly fish TV when he was doing a show about his famous Davy Wotton Shad pattern (awesome fly BTW). While searching the net for some of his Shad patterns I ran across on of the best fly fishing knots there is. It's called the Davy knot. I'll save the story of why Davy invented the knot for him to tell. However, I will say it's the best and most easy knot I have ever used for fly fishing. I’m in the process of getting a video on the articles page to show this knot being tied. Look for other articles in the near future from Davy on the articles page, and by all means if you are ever planning a White river trip and are in need of a guide or just some general information then by all means give him a Shout.

Again His site address is http://www.davywotton.com
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Re: Line Cleaner/Dressing
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2006, 09:18:13 PM »
Didn't realize how much I was damaging the line by practice casting in the side yard.  I think most of the damage I inflict on my lines is by stepping on them or dragging them acoss shoals.  And I hadn't thought about how a sinking tip might spook a fish, (not that I don't spook them in other ways like splashy casts, wading too close, etc but it makes a lot of sense that a sinking section of line that carries with the current downstream just continues to bother fish that might not have been aware of my originally sorry presentation.  Thanks for the good info everyone.


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Re: Line Cleaner/Dressing
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2006, 01:47:53 PM »
Mike,

Thank you for the introduction to the site.

Any of you guys wish to fire questions at me , fire away and l will answer those for you, as best as l can.

Now l do not to profess to be a warm water expert, trout fishing is another matter, but then there is a great deal more to that over and above warm water fishing, at least so far as l am concerned.

Canyeybuff.

Yes, you also raised two other good points here so far as causing damage to a fly line.
Fly fishing from a boat is big time one of those. Fly lines are very subject to being stood on and de- graded of the outer finish, not to mention the effects of, sand, dirt , petroleum contaminents, oil and all else that is common to the deck of a boat.

The other is a very common habit, dragging the line around as you move from one spot to the other, rocks damage line this way badly. Best bet is to recover the line in your hand or back on the reel before you do so move.

One other factor here that attention should be paid too.

It is way safer to have the line back on the reel and the fly in the keeper guide before you start to wade around in deep and or fast water shoals, and areas that you have bank side vegetation, tree limbs and bushes etc.
You need to pay attention to your rod tip position !!

You will have way more control of yourself as you are not trying to deal with line, that may get tangled.
Also if you do take a dump in the river, you can let loose of the fly rod and deal with the problem of saving your life, with out the worry of the fly line tangling you up.
And l have seen that happen a number of times to unfortunate individuals.

Davy.





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Re: Line Cleaner/Dressing
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2006, 08:55:28 PM »
Thanks again .. 

Fishing this AM  I was more observant of how I drag my line, and didn't do it so much ... (didn't have to rescue my dog from the line once today!) so, when I eventually replace the lines I'm using now, I will try to be more careful with them.  Still have to get my self a bottle or tub or five gallon bucket of the mucilin, .. sounds like good stuff.,