Author Topic: Line-X  (Read 11297 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

David L. Darnell

  • FishHead
  • *****
  • Posts: 1706
  • Karma: +13/-1
  • Insane Trout Bum
    • my site
Line-X
« on: November 06, 2007, 02:26:41 PM »
how is this working out on fiberglass boats? Bet it would be a pain to repair the fiberglass, if you was to get a hole in the hull.

Perry, has taken a few of the Gheenoes he sells and had it applied for the buyer. Looking for people that actually have time with it on their boat.

grumpy

  • *****
  • Posts: 4291
  • Karma: +21/-5
    • ctflyfishingforum
Re: Line-X
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2007, 07:02:41 PM »
What i saw was a problem, you have dings in the line-x, it allows water in to sit between it & the bottom of the boat, yes, there was air pockets on the boat i looked at(not a good thing).
If you had a bad spot in the fiberglass & had water sitting on it, it could lead to worse problems.

Grumpy

youngc3

  • *
  • Posts: 21
  • Karma: +1/-0
Re: Line-X
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2008, 05:13:46 PM »
going to have to disagree with you on your line-x thoughts Grumpy. I have line-x on the hull of my gheenoe and the protection it provides has been priceless. It's been on my boat for over a year now and is showing no signs of wear. I run up on banks and gravel bars everywhere i fish and it still looks new. Shallow shoals are not something I worry about either. I would recommend Line-x to anyone and it will be on my next gheenoe.
"you don't know if you don't go." Roger Young

MikeA

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 16453
  • Karma: +65535/-4
Re: Line-X
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2008, 06:21:06 PM »
I'm gonna put it on my supreme some day... Anybody see smash lab where they bomb proofed a building with the stuff. Pretty amazing material.
Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.

But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.

She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.

She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.

jarrod white

  • Jdub
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 2421
  • Karma: +22/-8
  • "I live because I fish, I work because I have to."
Re: Line-X
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2008, 06:32:22 PM »
What would it cost to put it on the bottom of the Hyde ;D I might want a little extra protection :o Daddy said I am rough on EVERYTHING I touch ;D
I just don't care!

grumpy

  • *****
  • Posts: 4291
  • Karma: +21/-5
    • ctflyfishingforum
Re: Line-X
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2008, 09:08:24 PM »
run the HI for a year, then see what it looks like, there ain't no rocks around here boys :o.
 
Grumpy

RonS

  • My Blackfoot name is "Dances Without Fish"
  • FishHead
  • *****
  • Posts: 1431
  • Karma: +21/-3
  • Hair today, gone tomorrow.
Re: Line-X
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2008, 01:13:15 AM »
I stopped at Montana Boat Builders on my way up.

www.montanaboatbuilders.com

They use a multi step process for their boats that include high-strength, kevlar reinforced honeycomb material for the boat bottom.  This is the best picture I have of the material.


Then from their website ---  "This honeycomb is then further reinforced with multiple layers of Kevlar, fiberglass and epoxy and finally the exterior of the bottom panel is encapsulated in nearly ¼” of high density polyurethane material just like a truck bed liner.

This material is not the rubbery type but rather a hard plastic material which can withstand impacts and abrasion much better than the soft gel coats of fiberglass boats. It doesn't chip like gelcoats do, yet it slides easily over rocks. For catastrophic rock hits, (actually the only ones we have seen have been from metal) this material is repairable."

On the interior, they use a different bed liner that is more rubbery. It actually feels softer than the hull liner.

I think he told me it was Speed Liner on the bottom. I forgot to ask him what brand the interior was coated with.

Here's a shot I took of the stern of one of their boats that was nearly finished.



Note how the bed liner material wraps up onto the wood sides a little ways.  he says it's better than HDPE or UHMW because you don't have to use mechanical fasteners.

I asked him about water getting in between the liner and the hull. He said it's just not an issue, if it is applied correctly.

He said they have repaired a couple of other maker's boats where there wasn't a good bond between the glass and the liner, kind of like an air bubble. That's where the liner will flex and if it gets punctured, you'll have a problem.

I know that doesn't answer Woodsman's question about straight fiberglass hulls, but I thought it was interesting and kind of related.

I was looking through these pictures tonight and most of them didn't turn out well at all.  I think I was too tired and too coffee'd up from the drive. Most of them are a little shaky and/or out of focus. I could feel my pulse in my head and arms every time I brought the view finder up to my eyeball.  Darn it. Still, really nice guy and cool shop and BEAUTIFUL boats.

I had to ask him about maintenance. He said keep it protected from the sun when you aren't using it and it will look this good in 10 years.  He explained that today's marine epoxy stuff and the top coat are way better than in the old days.

Sure are pretty.  Sure are expensive.
Yesterday, I was at the bottom. I was at the bottom of a valley, in the river. Then my eyes hiked up the mountains to the snow capped peaks. I thought, "When I am at this lowest place I can be, standing in a river, everything is looking up."

RonS

  • My Blackfoot name is "Dances Without Fish"
  • FishHead
  • *****
  • Posts: 1431
  • Karma: +21/-3
  • Hair today, gone tomorrow.
Re: Line-X
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2008, 03:01:44 AM »
I'm gonna put it on my supreme some day... Anybody see smash lab where they bomb proofed a building with the stuff. Pretty amazing material.

So, I went to bed but couldn't sleep. Remembered something about this thread and Mike's bomb proofing.

I've Line-X in this truck bed and had it in the last one.  Love it. Looked up their website and found this link. there are a few videos here that some might find interesting.  They even put Kevlar in the stuff.  PAXCON is the Line-X stuff they spray on buildings for bomb/spall protection.

http://www.paxcon.com/tv_news.shtml
Yesterday, I was at the bottom. I was at the bottom of a valley, in the river. Then my eyes hiked up the mountains to the snow capped peaks. I thought, "When I am at this lowest place I can be, standing in a river, everything is looking up."

Mike Hill

  • Fishless
  • *****
  • Posts: 715
  • Karma: +7/-5
  • Mike - the OTHER Mike!
Re: Line-X
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2008, 07:30:09 AM »
Gawjus,  just Gawjus!

This gets my brain legos going.  My mom retired from Hexcel who probably made that kevlar honeycomb - they pioneered the commercial production and do 700+ different honeycombs.  Hmmm, I wonder if she could make a phone call for me?  I ponder what an entire drifter made out of the material would weigh?   Periodically she would bring home products made of honeycomb.  I think I still have the cross-country skis, but don't know where the surfboard, the downhills, or the slalom waterski went to.  I really miss the slalom - that was one hot ski.  It had a tunnel bottom, wasn't too stable in a straight line, but boy that thing could slice water.  I'd kill myself on it today. 

Steve H

  • Need to fish!
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 9491
  • Karma: +999/-5
Re: Line-X
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2008, 07:52:15 AM »
Would love to do the bottom of my boat in Line-X. Have it in my truck and it is bomb-proof.
Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum

MikeA

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 16453
  • Karma: +65535/-4
Re: Line-X
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2008, 08:28:48 AM »
I wonder if we can buy the stuff and do it ourselves? I bet Jarrod would like to have the Hyde done too.
Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.

But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.

She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.

She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.

jarrod white

  • Jdub
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 2421
  • Karma: +22/-8
  • "I live because I fish, I work because I have to."
Re: Line-X
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2008, 08:34:50 AM »
I wonder if we can buy the stuff and do it ourselves? I bet Jarrod would like to have the Hyde done too.
Lets check it out , I would love to have it on there ;D
I just don't care!

Steve H

  • Need to fish!
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 9491
  • Karma: +999/-5
Re: Line-X
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2008, 08:41:43 AM »
They do make a bed-liner that you roll on or spray on.

Herculiner
Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum

TimM

  • FishHead
  • *****
  • Posts: 1085
  • Karma: +6/-3
Re: Line-X
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2008, 09:11:01 AM »


Here's a shot I took of the stern of one of their boats that was nearly finished.





Man, what a purty boat! I'd be afraid to use something that looks that nice! :P

If you guys get serious about trying to find & apply a thermoplastic coating to something and run into technical questions/issues give me a holler.  I earn my living in this general area (engineering consultant in the plastics world...resin formulation, conversion and application development) and MAY be able to help you avoid a pitfall here or there. I've actually been noodling lately on something along these same lines as an alternative for the HDPE liners  for exactly the reason that the fella at Montana boat works mentioned....to get away from mechanical fasteners. There ARE means to accomplish this chemically with some substrate/coating combinations.


RonS

  • My Blackfoot name is "Dances Without Fish"
  • FishHead
  • *****
  • Posts: 1431
  • Karma: +21/-3
  • Hair today, gone tomorrow.
Re: Line-X
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2008, 09:33:46 AM »

  I ponder what an entire drifter made out of the material would weigh? 

I asked Jason at that shop the same question. He said that particular stuff-You can't screw anything into it. It won't hold. Oar locks, seats, rod racks, anchor hardware etc.  Holding mechanical fasteners is not where that one shines.
Yesterday, I was at the bottom. I was at the bottom of a valley, in the river. Then my eyes hiked up the mountains to the snow capped peaks. I thought, "When I am at this lowest place I can be, standing in a river, everything is looking up."