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Spring Creek Trout Fishing
« on: April 12, 2010, 10:44:37 AM »
Since the Caney is suffering a little this spring, I've decided to spend a little time on some alternative water until the conditions settle down and the Caney returns to better form.

This weekend I hit some spring creeks.  On Saturday, I drove up to the Plateau to hit Charles and Mountain Creeks, which are a couple of my favorites.  Usually these creeks fish REALLY well this time of year, and my expectations were high.  Unfortunately, it was a letdown.

I started on Charles, in an area a few miles away from a stocking site, in a place which has held some big holdovers in the past.  I expected the cool, wet summer last year might mean there were some big fish in there.  If there were, I didn't find them.  I caught about a million shiners and chubs, but no trout.

After working my way upstream a couple miles, I ran into a local who informed me that the closest stocking site hadn't been stocked this year, and he wasn't sure if it was stocked last year, either.  He indicated that a different site had been stocked, and since the creek where I was at was pretty barren, I went to check it out.  There were several people clustered around the stocking site and all were catching lots of fish, but the trout seemed clustered near the bridge and hadn't moved far.  A few pools on either side of the bridge upstream and downstream were packed with trout for the taking, but once you got beyond that there were very few fish.  This was rather unusual - typically, the trout on Charles seem to spread out from the stocking site fairly quickly, but these were all still clustered together a few weeks after the last stocking.  This wasn't really my cup of tea - it would be great with kids or to fill a quick stringer, but standing in the middle of a crowd and "shooting fish in a barrel" wasn't what I came to do.

Therefore I moved over to Mountain Creek.  I fished an area near 56, once again looking for holdovers rather than freshly stocked fish.  It was very slow as well.  I saw one possible holdover fish of approx. 18" (unconfirmed - may have been a big white sucker because I didn't get a good look), but he saw me first and took off for parts unknown at high speed.

Sunday presented me a few more afternoon hours to fish, and since the Plateau streams were slow, I drove up to Trammel Fork in Kentucky.  It was fishing much better, with several fish to hand, though all were recent stockers.  I saw one brown that was probably 2 pounds or better, but Trammel is a pretty tiny creek and the holdover browns there can be nearly impossible to approach without being spotted.  Today was no exception.  Regardless, there were good numbers of fish, they were spread out, and the creek is fishing really well now.  Near dark, a big hatch of some mayfly I didn't recognize began, and the fish began keying on those and ignoring my imitations, so the day ended on a tough note, but I'll get there earlier and bring some better emerger patterns for the twilight bite next time.  I had to think long and hard about getting a Kentucky license this year, since the Cumberland is pretty much out of commission, but it looks like Trammel may have made it worthwhile - I think I'll be doing my trout fishing across the state line for a little while until conditions improve.

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Re: Spring Creek Trout Fishing
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2010, 11:55:38 AM »
I wonder if that could be the same case in Van Buren county? I fished a few hours in all of the spots that typically hold fish year after year and did not even get a bite. I know last year the TWRA decreased the number of stockers from around 10,000 fish to about 5,000. Like you, I expected the wet summer last year to enable many trout to hold over and many of the locals seem to have given the creeks a pass lately. Maybe the high pressure system and quick night time temperature drop shut everything down for a while.

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Re: Spring Creek Trout Fishing
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2010, 06:49:41 AM »
I don't think conditions were the problem on Charles and Mountain.  I had good weather and some bugs coming off.  If there had been trout there I would have at least seen a few, even if they saw me first and wouldn't bite.  I think the areas I was fishing just lacked fish.  I'll probably go back in late May and see if additional stocking and a little time has spread the fish out more.

Honestly, I think these creeks need attention more than anything.  I used to keep them a secret and never "name names" on the creeks, but I realized that TWRA doesn't seem to give the spring trout stocking program much attention, especially with the advent of the winter "urban trout" program.  We probably only have these creeks because TWRA started doing it long ago and nobody has thought to phase it out.

These creeks are an awesome resource and they could do a whole lot more with them if they tried.  Fall stocking, delayed harvest, etc.  The better creeks that carry over fish would be an excellent alternative for when the Caney isn't fishing well or is too crowded.  People just need to hear about them, and TWRA needs to hear enough feedback to know that people are excited about the resource.

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Re: Spring Creek Trout Fishing
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2010, 07:24:57 AM »
Indeed Brian. These creeks are a very valuable resource and they fish amazingly well when conditions are good. I'm sad to hear so many reports of our Trout fishery sucking... What's going on? Are we being sold out to the lazy fishermen who prefer their fishing from a lawn chair on the sidewalk and fish brought to them in big trucks.  ???


Here are a few fish from the spring creeks in Warren and surrounding counties.

This Big Bow ----

--- came from the undercut spot on this bank. This creek isn't knee deep at any point I've waded it but it held some GIANT Trout a few years ago. That was only one of many 15 to 20" Trout from that area. Catching those fish in that creek was some of the most rewarding moments I've ever had fly fishing. I was completely dumbfounded when I saw that fish in the net! Once my knees stopped knocking I removed the fly and released it. Haven't had a year like that since....  




More of what the Spring creeks offer.








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Re: Spring Creek Trout Fishing
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2010, 12:08:56 PM »
On a positive note regarding spring creeks: A nice, long section of Cane Creek leading out of Fall Creek Falls is going to be donated to the Park in the near future and this will keep a great area of fishable water from being posted and developed. Perhaps this could be a start to better management of stocked trout streams in Middle Tennessee?

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Re: Spring Creek Trout Fishing
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2010, 03:26:14 PM »
I hope so.  I wonder how many landowners along the spring creeks would be willing to record an access easement on their deed allowing fishermen to walk the stream up to the high water mark.  TWRA could offer a little money to sweeten the pot - I know right now they maintain a fund and try to buy up access points (such as on the Caney) when they come available, but I bet you they could buy an easement for much less than it would cost to buy an actual piece of property.

Landowners are supposedly "expected" to give permission for access to stocked streams anyway, so the easement isn't anything new.  This would just make it official, and if it's recorded on the deed, it would be permanent and the access wouldn't change when a new landowner comes along.

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Re: Spring Creek Trout Fishing
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2010, 10:33:02 PM »
BD, glad to hear Trammel is fishing well. I used to buy a KY license just for that creek and always had a blast when I went there. You can sight fish for some nice trout and have a good time as well.

Thanks for he excellent report.
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Re: Spring Creek Trout Fishing
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2010, 11:28:47 AM »
Trammel is always fun to fish.  It's a tiny little creek, but it's got lots of interesting water and enough fish to always make it worth the trip.  

I especially like that KY stocks it on through September, providing a steady supply of fish to replace those that are kept by anglers through the year.  A lot of the fish stocked in August and September carry over for winter fishing.  If there's anything I'd change, it would only be that I'd cancel the July and August stockings (too hot) and move them to October and November when it's cooler.  Maybe put a winter delayed harvest in place too.  Then it would REALLY rock!

To me, Trammel is an example of what the better spring creeks in Middle Tennessee (Charles, Mountain, Mill, Cane, etc) could be if TWRA utilized the fishery to its full potential.

As the Caney Fork gets more and more crowded, trout fishermen are going to be looking for more and more alternative trout water within a couple hours of Nashville.  Rather than stock the spring creeks a couple times in March and April and then forget about them, I'ld love to see them expand the stocking until June, then stock in the fall once it gets cool, and maybe implement delayed harvest in fall and winter.  

Some of those little counties out on the Plateau would LOVE to see people traveling in from Nashville and spending money in their towns to catch those trout too.

I could stay in Tennessee to fish the spring creeks then instead of having to go out of state!

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Re: Spring Creek Trout Fishing
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2010, 12:50:42 PM »
You hit the nail on the head with that assessment and recommendation. It would build some smaller fisheries and in the process create business opportunities in those smaller towns.

I for one would make weekend getaways to those destinations instead of making them one day excursions as I would want to maximize my time on the water and enjoy some of the local fare and hospitality.
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Re: Spring Creek Trout Fishing
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2010, 05:53:37 PM »
I hope so.  I wonder how many landowners along the spring creeks would be willing to record an access easement on their deed allowing fishermen to walk the stream up to the high water mark.  TWRA could offer a little money to sweeten the pot - I know right now they maintain a fund and try to buy up access points (such as on the Caney) when they come available, but I bet you they could buy an easement for much less than it would cost to buy an actual piece of property.

Landowners are supposedly "expected" to give permission for access to stocked streams anyway, so the easement isn't anything new.  This would just make it official, and if it's recorded on the deed, it would be permanent and the access wouldn't change when a new landowner comes along.

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Would you be able to answer the age-old question about TN law as it pertains to stream wading?  For instance, is it legal to access a stream at an access point and then wade into areas bordered by private property if you never leave the water?  I access several streams at legal, well-marked access points but have waded up/downstream into areas where I have had homeowners come out and berate me for trespassing even though I have never left the water.  One time I had the Sheriff's office called on me and even the Sheriffs officer could not answer this question, and he just asked that I leave in order to defuse the situation, but he did not know if I was breaking the law or not - clueless in fact. 

I have never ever heard a definitive answer...  Thx,
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Re: Spring Creek Trout Fishing
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2010, 10:02:47 PM »
Yes you are trespasssing because the landowner owns the bank and the stream bottom he does not however own the water or the fish.  I would love TN to adopt the highwater law but I doubt it will ever happen.  I have actually been yelled at for back rowing in " Private Water "  It is imporant to know the law you actually can get away with " trespassing "  if there are no signs gate etc even then if I understand it properly there isn t much they can do unless you have been issued a warning by an officer.  I m sure Bd could be a little more precise on the law
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Re: Spring Creek Trout Fishing
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2010, 10:19:18 PM »
Toddro, I'm not sure about Tn. law, But here in Alabama,(where I live), TVA controls most of the water rights, and they also have an easement around the waters edge. Most places its like 50'(feet),from waters edge at a set level. Now if a "homeowner" says you are trespassing and you are on the water, YOU ARE NOT.

 I'm not sure about TN. laws, but if I had to take a guess, I have to say as long as you were in the water and had not gotten on "DRY" ground, you would not be trespassing.

 I really think the law changes some much, noone really knows. Some "Homeowner" jus want to be pricks and they dont like people fishing.

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Re: Spring Creek Trout Fishing
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2010, 08:48:26 AM »
countryflyfisher is absolutely correct.  A few years ago I wanted to do some fishing on a nice spring fed creek but the property was privately own.  I checked with TVA and TWRA and found that the land owner also owns the creek bottom.  So wading in a creek can still be trespassing.   The landowner does not own the water or the fish but does own the creek bottom.

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Re: Spring Creek Trout Fishing
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2010, 09:00:46 AM »
Thanks for the info guys.  So it sounds as if I am in a canoe or float tube, I am ok then as long as my feet are not touching the bottom?



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Re: Spring Creek Trout Fishing
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2010, 10:52:57 AM »

Something else that may factor into this is that I *think* that there is normally a publicly owned easement around bridges which often provides legal ingress/egress to/from a waterway.  So if in fact you are not trespassing when in a vessel ON the water and you get to as well as leave from said waterway via a public easement then perhaps this gets around the trespassing consideration though clearly pricks are still going to be pricks and make a fuss when they can.