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Boating => Shallow Water River Boats and Jet Boats.. => Topic started by: David L. Darnell on November 06, 2007, 02:26:41 PM
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how is this working out on fiberglass boats? Bet it would be a pain to repair the fiberglass, if you was to get a hole in the hull.
Perry, has taken a few of the Gheenoes he sells and had it applied for the buyer. Looking for people that actually have time with it on their boat.
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What i saw was a problem, you have dings in the line-x, it allows water in to sit between it & the bottom of the boat, yes, there was air pockets on the boat i looked at(not a good thing).
If you had a bad spot in the fiberglass & had water sitting on it, it could lead to worse problems.
Grumpy
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going to have to disagree with you on your line-x thoughts Grumpy. I have line-x on the hull of my gheenoe and the protection it provides has been priceless. It's been on my boat for over a year now and is showing no signs of wear. I run up on banks and gravel bars everywhere i fish and it still looks new. Shallow shoals are not something I worry about either. I would recommend Line-x to anyone and it will be on my next gheenoe.
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I'm gonna put it on my supreme some day... Anybody see smash lab where they bomb proofed a building with the stuff. Pretty amazing material.
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What would it cost to put it on the bottom of the Hyde ;D I might want a little extra protection :o Daddy said I am rough on EVERYTHING I touch ;D
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run the HI for a year, then see what it looks like, there ain't no rocks around here boys :o.
Grumpy
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I stopped at Montana Boat Builders on my way up.
www.montanaboatbuilders.com (http://www.montanaboatbuilders.com)
They use a multi step process for their boats that include high-strength, kevlar reinforced honeycomb material for the boat bottom. This is the best picture I have of the material.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/RonSPhotos/MontanaBoatBuildersMarch62008092.jpg)
Then from their website --- "This honeycomb is then further reinforced with multiple layers of Kevlar, fiberglass and epoxy and finally the exterior of the bottom panel is encapsulated in nearly ¼” of high density polyurethane material just like a truck bed liner.
This material is not the rubbery type but rather a hard plastic material which can withstand impacts and abrasion much better than the soft gel coats of fiberglass boats. It doesn't chip like gelcoats do, yet it slides easily over rocks. For catastrophic rock hits, (actually the only ones we have seen have been from metal) this material is repairable."
On the interior, they use a different bed liner that is more rubbery. It actually feels softer than the hull liner.
I think he told me it was Speed Liner on the bottom. I forgot to ask him what brand the interior was coated with.
Here's a shot I took of the stern of one of their boats that was nearly finished.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/RonSPhotos/MontanaBoatBuildersMarch62008060.jpg)
Note how the bed liner material wraps up onto the wood sides a little ways. he says it's better than HDPE or UHMW because you don't have to use mechanical fasteners.
I asked him about water getting in between the liner and the hull. He said it's just not an issue, if it is applied correctly.
He said they have repaired a couple of other maker's boats where there wasn't a good bond between the glass and the liner, kind of like an air bubble. That's where the liner will flex and if it gets punctured, you'll have a problem.
I know that doesn't answer Woodsman's question about straight fiberglass hulls, but I thought it was interesting and kind of related.
I was looking through these pictures tonight and most of them didn't turn out well at all. I think I was too tired and too coffee'd up from the drive. Most of them are a little shaky and/or out of focus. I could feel my pulse in my head and arms every time I brought the view finder up to my eyeball. Darn it. Still, really nice guy and cool shop and BEAUTIFUL boats.
I had to ask him about maintenance. He said keep it protected from the sun when you aren't using it and it will look this good in 10 years. He explained that today's marine epoxy stuff and the top coat are way better than in the old days.
Sure are pretty. Sure are expensive.
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I'm gonna put it on my supreme some day... Anybody see smash lab where they bomb proofed a building with the stuff. Pretty amazing material.
So, I went to bed but couldn't sleep. Remembered something about this thread and Mike's bomb proofing.
I've Line-X in this truck bed and had it in the last one. Love it. Looked up their website and found this link. there are a few videos here that some might find interesting. They even put Kevlar in the stuff. PAXCON is the Line-X stuff they spray on buildings for bomb/spall protection.
http://www.paxcon.com/tv_news.shtml (http://www.paxcon.com/tv_news.shtml)
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Gawjus, just Gawjus!
This gets my brain legos going. My mom retired from Hexcel who probably made that kevlar honeycomb - they pioneered the commercial production and do 700+ different honeycombs. Hmmm, I wonder if she could make a phone call for me? I ponder what an entire drifter made out of the material would weigh? Periodically she would bring home products made of honeycomb. I think I still have the cross-country skis, but don't know where the surfboard, the downhills, or the slalom waterski went to. I really miss the slalom - that was one hot ski. It had a tunnel bottom, wasn't too stable in a straight line, but boy that thing could slice water. I'd kill myself on it today.
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Would love to do the bottom of my boat in Line-X. Have it in my truck and it is bomb-proof.
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I wonder if we can buy the stuff and do it ourselves? I bet Jarrod would like to have the Hyde done too.
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I wonder if we can buy the stuff and do it ourselves? I bet Jarrod would like to have the Hyde done too.
Lets check it out , I would love to have it on there ;D
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They do make a bed-liner that you roll on or spray on.
Herculiner (http://www.herculiner.com/)
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Here's a shot I took of the stern of one of their boats that was nearly finished.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/RonSPhotos/MontanaBoatBuildersMarch62008060.jpg)
Man, what a purty boat! I'd be afraid to use something that looks that nice! :P
If you guys get serious about trying to find & apply a thermoplastic coating to something and run into technical questions/issues give me a holler. I earn my living in this general area (engineering consultant in the plastics world...resin formulation, conversion and application development) and MAY be able to help you avoid a pitfall here or there. I've actually been noodling lately on something along these same lines as an alternative for the HDPE liners for exactly the reason that the fella at Montana boat works mentioned....to get away from mechanical fasteners. There ARE means to accomplish this chemically with some substrate/coating combinations.
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I ponder what an entire drifter made out of the material would weigh?
I asked Jason at that shop the same question. He said that particular stuff-You can't screw anything into it. It won't hold. Oar locks, seats, rod racks, anchor hardware etc. Holding mechanical fasteners is not where that one shines.
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I've got Line-X on my Montanaboatbuilders driftboat. Four years and 5 Hi trips with only a couple of dings in the line-x material. Slides over rocks etc. pretty good.. and I can drag the boat just about anywhere to launch/take-out with no troubles. The nice thing about Line-x is that once you have a couple dings etc you can take it to Line-x and for a couple of Jacksons they will repair. Line-x material does not allow water to penitrate between the hull of the boat and itself. Cost me $250.00 bucks and has been a great investment in protecting the bottom of my homemade boat...
Driftwood1
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I plan on lots of hours of field testing, will let you know. Took it to Tullahoma yesterday, picked it up late this afternoon.
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/riverrat_04/DSCN3613.jpg)
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Looks nice David! Do you know how much weight it added?
Where's the motor? You going with a Yammyhammer?
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I'd like to but really want to say within the rated hp for protection from all these (American sue happy people)
I'd like to strap a 25 jet on it and see how it will do. Anybody got one sitting in the shed collection dust?
Had a fellow call another dealer today, was around $6000 for a 30 Yamie.
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Understand on the rating and lawyers.
My 40/30 Yammie wasn't that much, do you know who your friend spoke with? If you want, PM me and we can chat.
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David, that looks awesome!!!!! :o I am seriously considering getting that on the Hyde. I love it.
Jarrod
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I'm jealous now. That Linex would look great on the Supreme. Can they spray it smooth? Do you mind telling how much it cost to have sprayed? BTW David are you working or busy this weekend? If not holler at me.
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Mike, from what I understand they cannot spray perfectly smooth and it needs some texture. David, you can confirm.
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Gentlemen,
Sorry for the delay, Red Dog brought down "his" classic and I met him on top of the dam, we took the 15 hp---15" Honda on the LT and it churned butter, I will need a 20" motor.
We cast lots and lots of 8,9, and 10 weight rods. From the expensive green one out of Montana to the black and blue ones from Korea. Ask Red Dog which ones I thought was the lightest and cast the best loops ;)
Line-X, set me back $425
I have heard that they can do colors for a premium and have heard it can be had smooth, but that is just from another fisherman (liar). I will find out.
Mike, I work ever weekend, volunteered for the July 4th shutdown so I could take that vacation slot when I wanted it, (like cooler weather, less people and maybe generation)