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Red River
« on: November 27, 2010, 09:06:41 PM »
Smokin :D ;) :D ;D ;D > ;D

Has made up for the trip to the White!!!

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Re: Red River
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2010, 10:11:34 PM »
Yeah Right ::)  I need some Pics ???

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Re: Red River
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2010, 08:14:46 AM »
Without pictures this never happened.   ;D
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Re: Red River
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2010, 08:23:35 AM »
Yeah Right ::)  I need some Pics ???

Without pictures this never happened.   ;D

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I told you so ;)

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Re: Red River
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2010, 12:26:59 PM »
I hope you're talking Red River, NM.  Great fishing in that area.  If you're talking the Red River in Ark, YMMV.   :D
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Re: Red River
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2010, 07:53:53 PM »
The last three days reminded me of the cumberland in the glory days.  The weather was awesome, the company was great, and the fishing was out of this world.  We had 2, 50 plus fish days and the third was close to 40 a piece.  The first day, I would stand on a rock and call my fish be it bows or browns.   The second day we went to a deeper larger run and I broke numerous fish off on 5x some off on 4x;  and heard a man dog cuss a fish so bad it would make a sailor look like a saint.  Jay.... great trip, good laughs, good memories, and its not always the first one to the island, but knowing where to fish at the island is the key.... :D :D :D :D      

A fella had a fire going at 3:30 in the morning to make sure he had the best spot on a run,  jay and I go cruising up at 5:45 in the morning only to see the guy standing on the wrong side of the island waiting for the sun.  Three hours later and 45 fish between us and both, and losing double digit fish along the way the fella walks up and ask what we were using.  Jay, in his calm humble approach say, I am sure the same thing you are and sticks a 24" right in front of him.   The guy then ask what size, and he looks at him straight faced and tells him, "You know I cant tell you all my secrets, (even if the first secret wasn't true)  ;D You might have had to been there, but it was one of the funnier things I have seen on a river.  Enjoy the porn


stayed at lindseys--over priced, not worth it, stay at lobo landing--$179.00 a night and my college dorm room was better



Amazing fishery!
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Grumpy-your words were true...
"You see the fish, make the cast. Tic, tic, hit him, no not a trout set!!!!!! What are you doing?"

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Re: Red River
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2010, 08:28:15 PM »
Spawn Rape is nothing to be proud of.

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Re: Red River
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2010, 09:45:54 PM »
That looks like some serious fun!
Fish on!

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Re: Red River
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2010, 10:00:13 PM »
Phil

I couldn't agree more.  Luckily for me and my mind I can sleep because we didn't catch all/most of them spawning because the water was to low for them to move up on the shoals. Not to say they weren't going to spawn, but I wasnt getting spewed on and eggs werent dropping on me. (red asses and sow bugs and a few other flies were working; 14-18's depending on the time of day and water clarity)

I fish 52 weeks a year, I fish the beach in the summer for snook.  The inlets in the fall for reds. The bays in may for tarpon, and the fall for bone fish and hybrid.  I understand protecting the resources we have been blessed with, however, I also fish where the fish are, and where I can catch the biggest fish.

Moreover, my goal was to have fun and catch fish, and thank good Lord I did both.   Furthermore, I believe it is important to revive any fish after a valiant fight.

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Re: Red River
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2010, 10:07:58 PM »
Glad you guys got out there for a great trip Craig.  My heart ached to be there this whole weekend...but my time with  family was important and well spent.  Jay needed a good fishing buddy, and you definitely pulled through.  November in Arkansas is one of my favorite getaways that I hope to enjoy the rest of my life.
Crystal and I are already planning a Cabin there for next Thanksgiving.

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Re: Red River
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2010, 10:56:30 PM »
well at least you sprung for a warm place to sleep this time :)
I just don't care!

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Re: Red River
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2010, 11:04:15 PM »
nice report, great pics, beauty fish!
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Re: Red River
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2010, 11:32:54 AM »

None of that makes it right.  Fishing at Cow Shoals in late November is spawn rape.... and many other places too (Beech, Jon's Pocket, Richey, Bakers Ford, Schronchner's, Mossy, Rainbow etc etc) 
Actually many fish right now are spawning in the channels because the river is so low, and if they don't spawn there they hold there during the day to try to avoid the hoards. 
These fish are packed in tight and territorial, they will eat anything... like the egg pattern wedged in the corner of ones mouth in your pics.
It doesn't matter what you made them eat or if they were directly on top of a bed or not.
It's not sporting and and it is shooting the river in the foot.  Those fish get caught 5 times a week right now.
As you have demonstrated, people put them on the ground to take pictures of them a couple of times a week.
People foul hook them several times a week, drag them up on the rocks to land them etc etc.
Some jack wagon foul hooks the fish of a lifetime and fights it for 30 minutes = dead fish.
If you go look downstream from spawning grounds all over ther river there are big dead browns.



We will never have a chance at another world record because of this, we lose too many of our bigger fish to this each year.
Spawn rape is a greedy behavior...  but people do it all day everyday right now, and it's at the river's and the fish's expense.
You say it's an incredible fishery, but it is not what it once was.  You should have seen it in the early '90s before people lined up to stake out their spots near or on spawning grounds all day everyday.
30 inch fish were almost common then... now, not so much.  You saw the crowds at Cow Shoals, how can you not think that a month of that doesn't take it's toll on the fish?

Go fish sometime during the rest of the year to really see what the fishery is about.  Those browns have three times the fight in them in the Spring. 
Catch them in the summer, when a 24" Brown is a big accomplishment.  Don't turn into one of those poeple that only fishes on the Red in November... we already have too many of those.

I'd say I'm sorry for this, but I'm not.  Your publicizing the thing that is the biggest threat to the river I work on and love the most.


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Re: Red River
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2010, 12:28:37 PM »
I'll do it on stocked rivers where the pressure is low. Once people start lining up it turns me off. I've taken heat over this in the past because I was stressing fish,,, only to later see the entire river get pretty much decimated by the COE. I sure am glad I took the opportunity to have the fun we had on that river and I don't regret any of it.

As for natural reproducing rivers where the pressure is high I'd most likely have to pass. one thing I don't understand is how the Steelheaders get a pass for spawn rape?
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Re: Red River
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2010, 02:13:02 PM »
The SoHo closes certain sections of the river from Nov-Jan to protect spawning fish, as do other rivers.  Why do the rivers in Arkansas not do this if it is such an issue? 

Washington St. closes rivers when salmon and steelhead are actively spawning and on redds, so the fish you are fishing to during an open season are on the run, not on the redd.  Even in rivers that are open during a salmon spawn, you cannot legally fish to them, even though the river may be open to other species. 

This has always been an interesting ethics discussion for me...
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