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Re: Red River
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2010, 02:27:13 PM »
"The SoHo closes certain sections of the river from Nov-Jan to protect spawning fish, as do other rivers.  Why do the rivers in Arkansas not do this if it is such an issue? "

If you want the answer, follow the money.  Arkansas has a short sighted approach dependant upon tourism dollars.  People come from all over to fish the spawn...
if you look around in the parking lot at Cow Shoals almost all the tags are from out of state.  The towns near these rivers have become dependant upon that $
and will never vote to change it.  They did shut down the upper area on the White many years ago to protect those fish... the whining and catterwalling that followed
was terrible.  AGFC did the right thing in that case, but caught nine kinds of hell for it.   

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Re: Red River
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2010, 03:05:52 PM »
Phil,

Great discussion!  Thank you for sharing your opinion, and I can't agree more with some prudent and well thought out points you have delivered.  I believe drawing attention on a large forum such as this great site only draws attention to something that you say you don't want, fishing to spawning fish.  More people have called over the last 24 hours to ask where to stay, how long of a drive, and what guide to use, etc.

I can honestly say I supported your local economy, and I'm sure your resorts, wal-mart, and local co
Police appreciated it. As for not viewing things the way you do, well that's why we have 96 different kinds of religion.

Good luck on the river
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Re: Red River
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2010, 05:15:18 PM »
Thanks for the fish porn.  :o
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Re: Red River
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2010, 06:39:10 PM »
At one time they  were shutting Cow Shoals down, did they stop doing that/

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Re: Red River
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2010, 09:06:11 PM »
They shut it down at night, but that's it.  It was like pulling teeth to get them to do that according to Jeff. 
That was before I was involved enough to know the system.  At least folks dont go in there and snag with
streamers or glow bugs at night like they used to... I guess we have to count our tiny blessings.
 

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Re: Red River
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2010, 10:11:36 PM »
This is a terrible thing to do and Craig you should be ashamed for preying on something when its wits are not with them .They should just close all the rivers that have trout in them this time of year. What you did is just like hunting deer in the rutting season or spring turkey hunting and elk when they are doing there thing  . What is with people now a days these are the times of the year you should stay at home with your family .
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Re: Red River
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2010, 11:30:09 PM »
Bill, go to hear from you, you up for going this weekend?



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Re: Red River
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2010, 08:57:48 AM »
"The SoHo closes certain sections of the river from Nov-Jan to protect spawning fish, as do other rivers.  Why do the rivers in Arkansas not do this if it is such an issue? "

If I remember correctly, the spawning surveys on the SOHO showed that fish reproduction was making a significant contribution to the population and while compared to the Arkansas tailwaters which had almost no contribution to the population.  I believe it was Mark Nemeith (spp) or Shawn Banks authored papers.

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Re: Red River
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2010, 11:09:03 AM »
The Little Red River is 100% wild when it comes to Brown trout.  They haven't stocked fertilized eggs or fingerlings since the 1970's.  So, get your facts straight.  The White and Norfork still stock some Browns, although most are wild.  AGFC brands the stocked Browns on the White and Norfork with a very small liquid nitrogen burn mark.  If you know the "code" you can tell a wild from a stocked and even what year they stocked that fish based on the position of the marking.


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Re: Red River
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2010, 11:19:12 AM »
This is always a touchy subject for folks. Trout seem to be the darlings of fish as they are always at the center of this debate. No one cares this much that bass are fished for on bed, crappie, sauger or walleye or white bass family during spawning runs and who hasnít taken home a cooler of bluegill from the first full moon in May off bed. Salmon and steelhead are sought after when they do their thing and even businesses are built around that expectation of it happening every year.

Just funny to me that this always whether on this board or somewhere else just seems to deal with trout as if the same practices with all the other species are okay.


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Re: Red River
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2010, 11:21:19 AM »
Phil- have they shown any signs of the Cuts or Brooks reproducing over there?

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Re: Red River
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2010, 12:10:37 PM »
Not to my knowlege Travis.  Cuts don't even exist in the Little Red anymore, but there are lots on the White and Norfork.  In all the years I've been fishing over there I don't think I have never seen a cut or a brook spawn.  I wouldn't doubt that they might try... I've seen brookies all colored up, but I think the changes in water level and the lack of good pea gravel areas on the red probably keep it from being successfull.  The White... maybe because the White is one big spawning bed as far as gravel goes.  It's possible on a low water year or something that there could be some success there, probably not anything to speak of statistically, but it could happen I suppose.  I'll ask my buddy who is a trout biologist for AGFC next time I talk to him.

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Re: Red River
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2010, 12:30:54 PM »
This is always a touchy subject for folks. Trout seem to be the darlings of fish as they are always at the center of this debate. No one cares this much that bass are fished for on bed, crappie, sauger or walleye or white bass family during spawning runs and who hasnít taken home a cooler of bluegill from the first full moon in May off bed. Salmon and steelhead are sought after when they do their thing and even businesses are built around that expectation of it happening every year.

Just funny to me that this always whether on this board or somewhere else just seems to deal with trout as if the same practices with all the other species are okay.

Excellent point, Travis.  If you read just about any article on fishing for smallmouth, it will say you'd better have a line in the water 2 days before the first full moon in April.  Why?  Evidently that is the days when smallies are at their horniest...  ;)  Most articles will pinpoint the exact depth of water and the type of bottom you are looking for to find the most spawning fish possible.  And there are the articles of spawning carp...  ;D
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Re: Red River
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2010, 01:02:47 PM »
....  So, get your facts straight.  ...

Hmm, a little touchy.  :o Notice I said Arkansas tailwaters, not anything specifically about little Red or any other specific system.  

PS just cause the fish go through spawning motions, does not mean they contribute to the population. Watguga would be a good example.

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Re: Red River
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2010, 07:30:41 PM »
here is how I look at it have you ever been in a bar and had a fat ugly girl put the block on you taking her hot good looking friend home. Don t be the blocker  ;)
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