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Black buffalo??
« on: May 11, 2012, 11:38:27 AM »
Out small carp hunting saw this guy tailing. He's a lot bigger than I thought he was.. Is this a black buffalo?? And if you are wondering ... Yes that is a tfo 4/5 bug launcher.. It stood up to this guy fine i guess he got me into my backing..
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Re: Black buffalo??
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2012, 12:49:44 PM »
Nice fish!  Love fishing the carp on lightweight rigs!
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Re: Black buffalo??
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2012, 10:36:51 PM »
What'd he eat?
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Re: Black buffalo??
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2012, 01:59:33 AM »
Yes.  What did he eat?  On the Harpeth, they seem to run in little schools, where the first one in line roots something up/lays on his side following the bait downstream, eats and then gets back in line.  I've sat there for hours on a single run putting everything I can think of on (under) their nose and nothing. 

There was a pic on here years ago from a certain forum owner of these dudes as thick as you might could walk across them.

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Re: Black buffalo??
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2012, 08:25:06 AM »
Quote from: jladdsmith on May 12, 2012, 01:59:33 AM
Yes.  What did he eat?  On the Harpeth, they seem to run in little schools, where the first one in line roots something up/lays on his side following the bait downstream, eats and then gets back in line.  I've sat there for hours on a single run putting everything I can think of on (under) their nose and nothing.  

There was a pic on here years ago from a certain forum owner of these dudes as thick as you might could walk across them.



Try a Super Bugger in Olive, Brown, or Black.  I love fishing them for carp.  Big lead eyes sink it fast, hook-up design allows it to glide down the stream bed without getting hung up, and the carp seem to always see it and want to pick it up.  It took me a long time to get the timing of the hook-set right, but if you see them feeding like you are describing, this would be a good fly to try.  Another good one that I like is a Stonefly popular out West called "Cat Poop".  It is a really simple fly, but the carp will see it and eat it.  It can also be made to float, so if you see them surfacing it is a good fly to run in the film on the water for a topwater bite.

Hope that helps - good luck!
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Re: Black buffalo??
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2012, 10:30:21 AM »
He ate a very small weighted wooly worm type pattern I tyed up. olive body with black saddle hackle and tail. He was the 3 or 4 one i got to eat this fly that day but i couldnt get my hook set right. They would eat take off then toss my fly.

This is the exact same thing these were doing. it was weird it seemed that one fish would be in front for a little while then he would eat then drift back and another would move up to were the first that fish was.

Quote from: jladdsmith on May 12, 2012, 01:59:33 AM
Yes.  What did he eat?  On the Harpeth, they seem to run in little schools, where the first one in line roots something up/lays on his side following the bait downstream, eats and then gets back in line.  I've sat there for hours on a single run putting everything I can think of on (under) their nose and nothing.  

There was a pic on here years ago from a certain forum owner of these dudes as thick as you might could walk across them.

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Re: Black buffalo??
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2012, 02:32:55 PM »
If you find a fly that the buffalo on the Harpeth will eat consistently, let me know.  I love to carp fish and I think I'm fairly decent at it.  But buffalo are much, much tougher than common carp.  I catch some on Old Hickory and a few on the Smith Fork, though even on the best waters, they will refuse the fly so many times between takes than I always have a little moment of "He actually ATE it!!!" surprise whenever one actually hits the fly.  But on the Harpeth, I have fished all day with constant shots at fish who are actually nose-down and rooting in the mud, and not a single one will bite.  I decided they're filter-feeding for snails or something in the mud and it was futile.  If there's a fly that will reach them, I'd love to put that little equation together.

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Re: Black buffalo??
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2012, 10:08:21 PM »
Man, that makes me feel better.  The buffalo shuffle beat a better fisherman than I. 

That day I had a little wire framed net on a pole like a butterfly net with thick mesh, and waded out ahead of the school to scrape up and see what they might have been eating.  I suspect you are exactly right.  They were feeding on helgrammites or somesuch.  Filing in one after the other in a family setting.  Weird, but cool. 
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