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Need Stuff to Start Brewing
« on: April 15, 2011, 04:21:56 PM »
After mulling it over for a LOOONG time, I've decided to finally take a shot at wine making and mead making.  I don't know doodley squat, so I'll probably be learning by trial and error (like I learn everything else).

Are there any good shops in the Nashville area where I could get the basic "introductory level" stuff I need to start making wine and mead?

If not, how do I go about getting started without spending a small fortune on random stuff I don't really know how to use off the Internet?

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Re: Need Stuff to Start Brewing
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2011, 08:13:30 PM »
Dang, I was hoping you wanted Ale stuff, was going to trade you for some of your carp knowledge  ;D

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Re: Need Stuff to Start Brewing
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2011, 08:10:21 AM »
Alas, I prefer wine and I've never been much of a beer/ale drinker - I drink like a girl.   :o

When the weather warms up maybe we will hit the carp flats some time.  It's really not as technical as some people make it out to be - just find a shallow flat or a gravel bar in a creek with feeding fish, and keep putting the fly in front of them until they eat.  It's mostly persistence.

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Re: Need Stuff to Start Brewing
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2011, 12:25:15 PM »
I started out making Mead, then wine from Concord concentrate . I will work you up a list, doesn't require alot of equipment.

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Re: Need Stuff to Start Brewing
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2011, 10:27:08 PM »
All Seasons Garden and Brewing Supply will take care of you.
 www.allseasonsnashville.com

924 8th Ave. South
Nashville, TN  37203
Monday-Saturday 9 to 6p.m.

The staff is super nice and can answer any and every question you may have.  They also have a great selection of brewing equipment to get you started.

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Re: Need Stuff to Start Brewing
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2011, 09:52:12 AM »
I started out making Mead, then wine from Concord concentrate . I will work you up a list, doesn't require alot of equipment.

Thanks, David.  A list would be awesome.  I imagine going into a wine shop and asking what I need to get started would be like walking into a flyfishing shop and saying "I don't know anything about fishing, but I want to start - tell me everything I need to buy!"  I'm sure store owners dream for those days, but I already have enough expensive habits and my wife has serious doubts about me taking on another hobby with lots of stuff to buy.

Also, a general idea of brands or what I should be spending would probably be useful.  I don't want to buy cheap junk that I'm just going to have to replace in 6 months, but I'm also not looking to get into the "$imms G4 equivalent of winemaking" right out of the gate.  Thanks!

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Re: Need Stuff to Start Brewing
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2011, 10:14:56 AM »
Stainless pot
6.5 gal plastic "Ale" bucket
Carboy
Air locks & bungs
Plastic stir spoon
Racking tube

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Re: Need Stuff to Start Brewing
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2011, 02:51:00 PM »
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Stainless pot
                                     
$50.00min -- i recommend a 6 gallon.  i've done a few brew recipes lately that require what's call a "full boil" where 6 gallons of water are required to boil down to 5.

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6.5 gal plastic "Ale" bucket
$10 - $20 -- A good buy for the price to get started.  I had one when I began brewing, but replaced it with a 2nd carboy.

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Carboy
$30 -- Make sure that it is glass.  Also, i've found that when using a carboy, bigger is better.  I've got a 5 gallon and a 6 gallon.  The larger helps when I dry hop or add other dry ingredients to the final stage of fermentation.  The 5 gallon blows off really fast as there is not much space for the CO2 to go.

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Air locks & bungs
Less than $5 -- Also pick up about 3' of 3" medical tubing.  For the first few days of fermentation, the yeast is VERY active because I start it in a 1 gallon carboy a few days before I brew.  Every time I pitch the yeast, the beer in the carboy (especially when in the 5 gallon) blows out.  I've avoided many messes by using a blow off tube with a Home Depot bucket full of sterilized water.  After about 5 days, I swap out for an air lock + bung.

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Plastic stir spoon
Less than $5 -- When you add the hops, stir the boiling wort very fast.  The acidity of the hops causes a reaction with the heat of the malt/grains to create a "whirlpool" effect.  This helps oxygenate the wort.  However, be careful, as this can cause the wort to boil over and make a huge mess.

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Racking tube
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$10 -- Needed for transferring cooled wort (76 degrees is optimal) to carboy.

Just a few more suggestions that I'd recommend:
1.  Get a wort chiller.  This is a large copper tube in a large spiral used to rapidly cool the wort.  Wort that is too hot will kill the yeast.  If you've got the coin, get one.  It just makes everything easier.

2.  Don't use liquid malt extract.  This stuff is easy to work with, but it has a very short shelf life.  Using bad malt just makes for bad beer.  I like using the dry malt extracts.  Or, if you want to try, you could do an all-grain method, but that's tough.

3.  Keeping everything sterile is priority number 1.  Limit any and all chances for bacteria or wild yeasts in the air to get in the beer.  I use a mild acid called Star San for all my cleaning and it is sold at All Seasons in Nashville.

4.  Keep it simple to start.  Maybe even buy a kit to brew your first batch.  My most flavorful beers have been recipes, not kits, but the the first few beers I made turned out great and they were kit beers.

I hope this helps.

Happy Brewing!

Sam


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Re: Need Stuff to Start Brewing
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2011, 08:07:14 AM »
Thanks!  That helps a lot.  Like I said, I'm planning on making wine and mead rather than beer, but I assume the basic equipment isn't that much different.

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Re: Need Stuff to Start Brewing
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2011, 07:03:54 PM »
Alas, I prefer wine and I've never been much of a beer/ale drinker - I drink like a girl.   :o



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Re: Need Stuff to Start Brewing
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2011, 09:36:41 AM »
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Your timing couldn't be worse!  Or my timing.   I pretty much just gave away (two!) of everything you would need ($400 worth) on Craigslist for $60, so you might check there.  Well a little far from you, but here you go: http://nashville.craigslist.org/for/2329783795.html

I second everything Sam Looper has said, and will add: Get a brewers bible and follow it to a tee.  If you try beer, boil the wort outside.  It stinks to high heaven!  You can also make your own wort chiller out of a long roll of tubing coiled up in a plastic bin full of ice water, but you'd only be saving $20 or so. 

Good luck!  

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Re: Need Stuff to Start Brewing
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2011, 04:11:01 PM »
Question:  I found several "starter" style kits that all have plastic carboys.  On the other hand, the more intensive brewing sites online all seem to have pictures of glass carboys.

Is there a major advantage to glass carboys which justifies the greater expense?

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Re: Need Stuff to Start Brewing
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2011, 09:04:30 PM »
Over time, the plastic starts breaking down.  Its been said, although I've not experienced it first hand, that the plastic makes the flavor "off".
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Re: Need Stuff to Start Brewing
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2011, 09:25:57 AM »
It's been a long time since I priced them, but I remember thinking at the time that the glass carboys were surprisingly reasonable.  Maybe they were on sale or something. 

I think the process is more enjoyable when you can see what's going on during fermentation.

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Re: Need Stuff to Start Brewing
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2011, 02:50:58 PM »
Thanks, good to know!  I'll get the glass carboy regardless of expense.  It looks like you have to age mead for six months or more before it's ready to drink, so the last thing I want to do is wind up with "off" flavors on a batch of it!  It's waaaay too long between starting the project and getting the final product for me to want to risk not having something good at the end.

I'm probably going to head to the place Sam recommended - All Seasons - on Friday or Saturday and buy the equipment I need.  In the meantime, I couldn't wait, so I started two gallons of "fast easy" mead using the following online recipe:

http://www.stormthecastle.com/mead/fast-cheap-mead-making.htm

It's fermenting now on my fly tying desk.  I guess we'll know around the holidays how it turns out!

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